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Old 08-16-2017, 12:14 AM   #801
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my current reading pile includes:

Complete Works of Fletcher Hanks
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Lone Wolf and Cub Omnibus vol. 2
I wish my reading pile was that small. At least I haven't added anything to it all summer (if you don't count art books).

Slowly getting through Batman Haunted Knight because I'm just too tired to read these days. Once I finish that I'll probably try vol 1 of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

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Etrigan miniseries announced:
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Ok guys so back to regular programming with reading the original Spidey run and i gotta say Amazing Spider-Man #17 also known as Return of the Green Goblin is definitely a stand out example of the whole theme of things not going right for Parker.

Here are the primary plot threads/points covered in this comic:

- The Green Goblin has finally returned after a somewhat lengthy absence in his first appearance

- Flash Thompson is making a Spider-Man Fan Club and Liz Allan is using it as an opportunity to make advances toward Parker

- Betty Brant is getting more insecure regarding Parker due to misunderstandings and Liz's continuing advances on Parker even in front of Flash Thompson

- Aunt May is still trying to hook Parker up with MJ whom has not been shown at this point in the comics

- Aunt May has another health scare that ends with her in the hospital.

What's also worth noting in this thread is that 3 recurring themes around the Goblin continues

- Goblin's civilian identity is still unknown

- Green Goblin continues his distinctive record of Not having been decisively taken down by Spider-Man or arrested due to one situation or another causing him to have to retreat the scene

- Another Goblin appearance that involved a special appearance from other Marvel heroes. His first appearance had Hulk appear and this appearance has The Human Torch appear. It's also worth noting that both contributed in some way to Goblin having to retreat his fight with Spider-Man.


Now the storyline ends with three things happening that make this a "Does Parker ever get a break?" Issue

- Parker ends up in hot water with Betty Brant not only because he didn't invite her to the Spider-Man Fan Club but because later when Parker tried to throw Liz off from suspecting he's Spider-Man, he shows up as Parker after relying on Human Torch as a diversion and Betty ends up seeing them together. Which makes her come to the worst conclusion about what was going on. Which is essentially that she thinks Parker is cheating on her with Liz.

- Spider-Man retreats from fighting The Goblin after hearing about his Aunt May ending up in the hospital and ends up damaging his reputation as Spider-Man to both the fan club members, Johnny Storm and The public at large. Which also means Goblin still isn't behind bars.

- The simple fact that Aunt May's potential death could be soon due to her troubling health.


The issue also ends with a line that might sound familiar in sentiment to the ending line of Spider-Man 1 which was

"No Matter What I do, No Matter How Hard I try, the people I love will always pay. This is my gift, my curse, who Am I? I'm Spider-Man"

However the line from this issue was:

"Why don't Things ever seem to turn out right for Me? Why do I seem to hurt people, No Matter How I Try Not To? Is This The Price I Must Always Pay for Being.......Spider-Man??!

While it's not a word for word facsimile, it expresses the sentiment that being Spider-Man seems to come with a cost to the people around him, which is a common theme in the comics, cartoons and SOME of the movies to varying degrees.

Nonetheless, a strong issue that's more indicative of Ditko's growth when it came to writing the character at this time.


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Old 08-17-2017, 12:47 AM   #805
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Just finished reading Issues #18 and #19 of The Amazing Spider-Man aka The End of Spider-Man and Spidey Strikes Back.

So continuing on from the last issues' plot threads which were

- Betty Brant's insecurity towards Peter Parker and misunderstandings leading her to believe he's a lying cheater.

- Spider-Man retreating from a fight with Green Goblin causing both the public and other heroes like Johnny Storm to question Spider-Man's values along with Flash Thompson looking bad amongst his peers for remaining loyal to Spidey despite the damaged perception of him.

- Parker's worry over Aunt May's ailing health after her recent death scare in the previous issue


Thanks to those things listed above Parker is in a tough point in his life because now due to having to take care of his Aunt May he's put in a position where he has to avoid fighting to avoid how worried she'd be if he was dealt sufficient damage despite watching his reputation be tarnished by J Jonah Jameson and hearing people in the city be negative about Spider-Man and believe that he "went Chicken". Along with that, he's been dealing with Betty Brant no longer talking to him or hearing him out despite her still longing for him and knowing that he's going through a tough time taking care of his Aunt May and trying to get money to afford her proper medication.

However during that time, not only have criminals gotten emboldened once people saw Spidey run away from a fight with Sandman in front of everyone. This not only worries Johnny Storm whom despite having an adversarial relationship at this point with Spidey, respects him and believes there's more to the situation than meets the eye but causes Flash Thompson to try and lure Spidey out by dressing as him and attempting to fight crime with the expectation of Spidey rescuing him. Which doesn't happen but thankfully Parker still calls the police who rescues Flash before he gets truly hurt more than he already was.

Shortly afterwards Flash ends up angry at Liz for going to Parker's house to tell him about the situation along with anyone who makes fun of Spider-Man.

Meanwhile Parker was at the very brink of throwing in the towel on his life as Spider-Man because of all the drama in his life that he blamed on being Spider-Man, which even caused him to try and throw away his costume but thankfully for him the next morning he finds out Aunt May is doing much better than before and even gives him a motivational speech about how Parkers aren't weak and fight valiantly. While she was talking about herself this largely motivates Parker to return to being Spider-Man just in time to fight crime with a new positive outlook despite accepting the fact that he may have lost Betty Brant to Ned Leeds after seeing her in a date with him. This also was the perfect storm because just as he decided to return, Johnny Storm ended up captured by The Enforcers and Sandman to lure him. Something he valiantly thwarts after getting the public back on his side once he made his return known and effortlessly put a stop to some thugs in the street. The lingering plot point at the end of this seems to be two things: Parker has a new faceless villain that seems to be on the lookout for him and Brant seems to still want Parker and takes issue with the fact that he doesn't seem to be jealous about Ned Leeds.

It's also worth noting that this arc had a couple firsts in it as well.

- The first time where the crimefighting, girl trouble, Aunt May's health and financial problems took precedent over the action to where the villain plot didn't truly kick off until the follow up issue.

- The Introduction of Ned Leeds

- The first story where it's implied Spidey wasn't seen in weeks by the public

- The first storyline that truly drove home the fact that Spider-Man dusts himself off and keeps on going no matter how bad things get

- The first time Johnny Storm has shown anything besides annoyance towards Spider-Man and vice versa

- The first time a Superhero cameo was extended to consecutive follow up issues with Johnny Storm appearing in Return of the Green Goblin along with these two issues to fight alongside Spider-Man.


If the previous issues were examples of how much Ditko and Lee found their stride with these stories then this is a prime example and the biggest high note thus far. This story amplifies what are often the key components to every good Spider-Man story.

Which is IMO:

- Exploration of how Parker's life as Spider-Man and Peter Parker cause unavoidable problems with each other due to the secretive nature required to keep people around him protected. Whether it's how his life as a crime fighter not only causes his Aunt to worry but causes complications with the girls in his life like Betty Brant due to either having raincheck when she offers dating opportunities or when he has to not invite her to events he's going to so he can avoid revealing his identity to her.

- How due to the daily Bugle along with the misunderstandings he gets himself into as Spider-Man he's easily able to go from people appreciating him to fully hating him within minutes despite constantly putting his life on the line to protect him.

- Exploration of What it is that drives Parker to keep on going despite knowing that he could fix a lot of the problems in his regular life if he quit being Spider-Man


Along with other elements such as a witty wisecracking Spider-Man that has uses his smarts to get him out of tough circumstances with villains.

All that said, this is a very excellent two issues that I recommend people reading as it should be a solid reminder of why you love this character in the first place.

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It's interesting. As I was reading Nightwing and Batman today it hit me: while those are two of my favorite characters and have featured in some of my favorite stories, their solo titles have been pretty bad for the past year. I am definitely reading them out of habit but I could care less about the recent and current stories and arcs.

Anyone else have titles that you read which if you are brutally honest with yourself you would have to admit that you don't like them anymore?

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It's interesting. As I was reading Nightwing and Batman today it hit me: while those are two of my favorite characters and have featured in some of my favorite stories, their solo titles have been pretty bad for the past year. I am definitely reading them out of habit but I could care less about the recent and current stories and arcs.

Anyone else have titles that you read which if you are brutally honest with yourself you would have to admit that you don't like them anymore?
Daredevil during Shadowland was just awful. Couldn't even finish it. Skipped the Reborn story, but thankfully Waid jumped on board soon after. The current volume was off to a rough start, but it picked up during the Casino arc and the Daredevil/Punisher mini series was fun. I'm on the blood art story arc and the book seems to be heading up in the quality department.

Vendetti's Green Lantern turned me off for a bit, but eventually went back and read them.

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Newsarama did another list back in September 2016, where they ranked the top 10 DC villains.

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Marvel and DC seem to be all about hero-on-hero battles with their current events (Civil War II) and future ones (Justice League vs. Suicide Squad), but time and time again it's been shown that villains harbor the real threats for superheroes and the universes they live in.

DC just revealed that an "evil threat once thought lost to the DC Universe makes their return" in Justice League vs. Suicide Squad, and that got us thinking about the eclectic line of villains DC has.
DC's got some of the most iconic villains in all of comic book, but how do they rank? Tough question.
Fortunately, we at Newsarama have an entire team of writers to help hammer out this list. Using a system of ranking and points, we've narrowed down a list of the ten greatest DC villains of all time. Rest assured, if your favorite didn't make the cut, we did consider them. But the ten characters on our list all held their places by wide margins - meaning that these merry miscreants are indeed the worst of the worst!
Those who didn't like the last Newsarama list because they thought it was too cookie cutter will probably not like this one either, as again, it is comprised of a lot of characters that you would expect to be there. Luthor, Joker, Darkseid, Sinestro, Deathstroke, Ra's al Ghul and Harley Quinn generally finish high on these lists. Perhaps seeing Cold beat Thawne will be a surprise to people.


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1. Lex Luthor
2. The Joker
3. Darkseid
4. Sinestro
5. Ra's al Ghul
6. Brainiac
7. Harley Quinn
8. Deathstroke
9. Captain Cold
10. Anti-Monitor

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That list ain't bad. I'd put Black Manta in there somewhere.

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That list ain't bad. I'd put Black Manta in there somewhere.
Definitely! I'd also flip flop Sinestro and Ras. I think Manta should take either Harley or Anti Monitors place. Capt Cold is good, but he is best on a team. If Catwoman is considered a villain ( I don't consider her one, but if she were) she should be on it.

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Definitely! I'd also flip flop Sinestro and Ras. I think Manta should take either Harley or Anti Monitors place. Capt Cold is good, but he is best on a team. If Catwoman is considered a villain ( I don't consider her one, but if she were) she should be on it.
I'd probably replace Capt. Cold with the Rogues as a whole. Anti Monitor is more of a plot device than a good villain. Harley Quin gtfoh. Anton Arcane could be on this list IMO.

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I'd probably replace Capt. Cold with the Rogues as a whole. Anti Monitor is more of a plot device than a good villain. Harley Quin gtfoh. Anton Arcane could be on this list IMO.
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So today I continue my journey through the old Spidey run and that starts with Issue #20 "The coming of The Scorpion". While it's a fairly average issue what's worth noting is that there is atleast two media iterations where Scorpion's origin involves Mac Gargan getting hired by JJJ and a scientist to make him into something that can defeat Spider-Man but usually they involve an accident that causes Gargan to be stuck in the suit forever and desire revenge. One of them is the PS1 Spider-Man game where he's the first villain you fight and you have to rescue JJJ from getting killed by him as revenge.

Here it seems that the experiment was something that slowly made him more powerful and evil with the reason for him wanting to kill JJJ is simply to keep no one from ever knowing his true identity.

Also here's some noteworthy first that come with the Introduction of Scorpion:

- The first issue to involve absolutely no scenes of Parker at school

- The first time Spidey ever had to fight a villain three times in the same issue

- The first time Parker ever stopped a villain on the same day he met him

- The first time one of Spider-Man's fights were predominantly built around Hand to hand combat since in previous issues Spidey would mostly have to use the environment with his punches being the final necessary blow. Here he had to not only fight in close quarters but use extra sticky web fluid to keep Scorpion in one place.

- The first issue since Issue 9 to have no references to his financial trouble

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So just got through two more "All action, minimal drama" issues. One with Spidey and Torch taking on The Beetle and one where The Masters of Menace ditched the Ringmasters and formed their official group just to get thwarted by Spider-Man fairly effortlessly.


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So on to issue #23 which kinda gets a bit "detective story-esque" with "Goblin and The Gangsters with the way the story is frame where Parker is skeptical of Frederick Foswell's return to the Bugle and Goblin trying to position himself as a hero while trying to take over a MOB to elevate his criminal career. Something that Parker ends up thwarted with the alleged help of Fred Foswell giving a scoop to the police.

However despite it being Possible Betty forgot to tell him that Leeds sent her a letter, him being at the top of his classes in high school, and Aunt May being in good health, he still has a scary feeling.

A nice bounce back from the last two issues to more engaging stories but the continued theme of less Parker drama and more Spider-Man action seems to be continued with this volume of issues thus far.

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Mexican super hero with the Justice League? Interesting video from you tuber.
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So now with Issue #24 - Spider-Man goes Mad.

The first issue that doesn't involve an actual fight to take down the criminal and one where a known costumed criminal doesn't use his costumed persona to attack Spidey.

In this issue, we see a little more of Parker getting jealous about Betty and Ned Leeds when he finds more letters she forgets to tell him about along with him beginning to question his own sanity after seeing an article in the paper from a "Dr.Rhinehart" who predicts Spider-Man is gonna go insane. Which causes Spider-Man to believe he's seeing his old villains attacking and wonder if he's hallucinating. This drives him to find the house of "Dr. Rinehart" and he believes himself to be hallucinating because he sees the rooms and is convinced they are upside down while coming to him for help.

However just as Spidey is on the brink of revealing his identity to this so called "Doctor", not only does Frederick Foswell tip off JJJ about him but Flash Thompson happens to run into the JJJ as well. This ends with JJJ stopping Rhinehart from getting Spidey's identity due to the tipoff that he's a phony and Flash getting to see Spider-Man in action when he unmasks and captures Rhinehart in which he is revealed to be Quentin Beck/Mysterio.

Before it all ends with Betty convinced she's in the doghouse with Peter and Peter ending the comic by going to study with Liz Allen.

Overall a very entertaining Issue framed as a mystery with some faux-trippiness due to scenes where you have to flip the comic pages upside down.

What I also feel can't be stated enough is just how much Ditko's art has improved considerably at this point in the comics' history.

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