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The Avengers (2012) 142 92.21%
Justice League (2017) 12 7.79%
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:11 AM   #376
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WW is the only one that showed any real hope for the DCEU.

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Old 01-03-2018, 11:05 PM   #377
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I like Avengers. But I think JL could, theoretically, have been a better film, even with MOS and BVS as predecessors. Dead Superman's afterlife journey. Grieving Lois and Martha. Race against the clock to get the League together, trained, teamwork-savvy. Lex commissioned by the government to help with defense, Earth better prepared for yet another alien invasion. The elements were lined up and were interesting enough. I don't think Snyder was ever going to take it there, though, even with all the self-imposed course correction. With all the discussion around the Snyder cut from the folks who still care, it's almost enviable how there can be so much interest in a film that felt like damaged goods since even before it started filming.

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Old 01-14-2018, 01:30 PM   #378
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Between how Hulk and Superman join the final battle in their respective movies one can make an argument in saying Hulk is kinda similar in how he fought the team and then joined them to save the world.
But Superman took a break with his girlfriend, to suddenly join the battle and crack jokes, takes some time away from the final boss to return 10 or so minutes later.

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Old 01-14-2018, 02:34 PM   #379
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Old 02-15-2018, 02:57 AM   #380
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How people like the turd that was Flop League is beyond me

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Old 02-15-2018, 04:36 AM   #381
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It's one of those entertaining bad movies.

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I don't think it was even entertaining in a bad way. I would rather watch B&R than that.

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Old 02-15-2018, 09:44 AM   #383
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Agreed. JL was just kind of...a movie that happened. It's not bad but enjoyable like The Room or something like that. It is just kind of a bland, nothingness of a movie.

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I don't think it's entertaining in a bad way either, I know it's bad and I can just have a pleasant time watching it without focusing on Aquaman's chicken squawk for a battle cry, or Superman quieting down his rage to feed his boner for Lois.

Why did Steppenwolf wait for 10,000 years to invade a Kryptonian free Earth? It's not like he didn't have time for that when Kal-El was a baby, right? Maybe it requires this joke.
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:24 AM   #385
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I don't think it was even entertaining in a bad way. I would rather watch B&R than that.
I finally watched JL for the first time last night and I have to agree. I'm flabbergasted at just how messy the film is, it just seems to stumble from one noisy, poorly scripted, visually unappealing set piece to the next with no real cohesion or thought or reason behind any of it. Watching it honestly gave me a headache and I have zero desire to watch any of it ever again.

Saying that, it's still somehow manages to be an improvement over BvS.

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Old 02-15-2018, 11:12 AM   #386
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I actually prefer BvS. BvS at least attempted to be a coherent movie. It failed, but I felt more effort.

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I don't give points for failed effort. If it failed then it failed.

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Old 02-15-2018, 12:20 PM   #388
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I don't give points for failed effort. If it failed then it failed.
I agree, but so did Justice League. So, I would rather watch the movie that failed that had effort than the one that failed and had no effort.

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Old 02-15-2018, 12:37 PM   #389
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BvS swung for the fences but I felt nothing for the characters even at moments where I should ostensibly be at the edge of my seat. I mean really, you kill Superman and fail to make it matter one bit? That's an F.

JL didn't swing for the fences, but I did like seeing the team interact. So I'd have to give that movie the edge.

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BvS swung for the fences but I felt nothing for the characters even at moments where I should ostensibly be at the edge of my seat. I mean really, you kill Superman and fail to make it matter one bit? That's an F.

JL didn't swing for the fences, but I did like seeing the team interact. So I'd have to give that movie the edge.
Yeah, but the movie just felt...pointless. BvS actually had a plot and was going places. JL was just an excuse for people in costumes to BS and the plot of the movie was barely existent and made no sense. It also features some of the most unprofessional CG I have seen in a major blockbuster. BvS has spotty CG too, but man was the CG in JL just...like 90s CGI bad at times. I'm not even talking about the mustache. Steppenwoldf bad. The tentacle things coming from the plant in the climax, bad. Just awful.

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I don't give points for failed effort. If it failed then it failed.
Taking liberties from a bit by Brian Regan.....

Guys, I just came over from SHH, and you aren't going to believe this, but they are giving BvS a lot of credit for trying.

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Taking liberties from a bit by Brian Regan.....

Guys, I just came over from SHH, and you aren't going to believe this, but they are giving BvS a lot of credit for trying.
Only really giving credit in the context of it vs JL. It's less I am giving credit to BvS and more putting down JL even further.

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JL is slightly more fun to watch and has some neat character interactions, but it is a very schizophrenic and broken film. Not only was Snyder course-correcting from the backlash to BvS, but then WB & Whedon course-corrected even further but still kept the bulk of the Snyder-shot footage.

At least BvS is the untampered vision of a single director, and is more or less a cohesive film. And as Spider-Fan said, at least it's trying to say something. The theatrical cut of JL feels like a soulless cash grab, a placeholder film that only exists because of how much time and money was already sunk into it.

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Yeah, but the movie just felt...pointless. BvS actually had a plot and was going places. JL was just an excuse for people in costumes to BS and the plot of the movie was barely existent and made no sense.
I actually think the plot/story issues in BvS are worse given the way that movie was pieced together. It tried to tell a dumb story in a pretentious way and failed spectacularly. I really don't know if there was a single scene in that movie longer than two minutes that wasn't an action scene.

JL, for all it's fault, told a dumb story in a straightforward, dumb way. "Pointless" is a good word for it, but I'd take pointless over something that I believe did genuine harm to two beloved characters and their universe.

That said, I've had this conversation with a few friends and I'm definitely in the minority. Most seem to agree with you.

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It also features some of the most unprofessional CG I have seen in a major blockbuster. BvS has spotty CG too, but man was the CG in JL just...like 90s CGI bad at times. I'm not even talking about the mustache. Steppenwoldf bad. The tentacle things coming from the plant in the climax, bad. Just awful.
No argument there. I'm curious to see if the blu-ray release of JL will have better effects. I've heard that sometimes the effects houses will still be rendering footage when the movie is premiered, and given how this production came down to the wire in almost every way, I think it's possible.

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Old 02-18-2018, 02:19 PM   #395
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This is really not fair.

Avengers is a masterpiece that started the uniting of all movies into a one cinematic universe.

It is the FIRST assemblage of superheroes from different movies.

For JL to beat it, it has to be a game changer which it failed to do.

And I blame Kevin Tsujihara the CEO of WB for butchering Snyder's original vision.

If you go on predicting paths,

MOS is arguably better than Ironman
BVS is debatable better than both of Ironman 2 and Thor
WW is definitely better than Captain America First Avenger

So if Snyder's cut of JL is what was released then I would have said JL dethrones Avengers

But JL failed miserably against Avengers in epicness thanks to Kevin Tsujihara!!!

The characters and story is on par with Avengers but since Avengers came first then JL's characters and story should be beyond par with Avengers for it to beat it.

The FX are more realistic in Avengers and it cost less than JL.....again I blame Kevin Tsujihara!!!!

The final act of Avengers destroys the final act of JL with more epic signature action scenes.

So it's not really fair, I voted JL because I felt sorry for it and I graded it with Tsujihara 's handicapped in mind.

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I really couldn't less for either film and they're both films Whedon had a had in! But I'll pick Avengers since Whedon actually made that movie from start to finish which allowed for it to be more coherent. Justice League is just...there.


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Old 02-18-2018, 02:43 PM   #397
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It's ironic that Justice League is now called DC's answer to Avengers when the Avengers in the comics was basically Marvel's answer to The Justice League. The tides have changed! A gameshow host is president! Justice League was bested by a third Thor movie, two movies starring a talking Raccoon! And now a Black Panther film!

What kind of world is this?! To quote Alfred from JL: "I don't recognize this world."

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Old 02-18-2018, 02:47 PM   #398
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This is really not fair.

Avengers is a masterpiece that started the uniting of all movies into a one cinematic universe.

It is the FIRST assemblage of superheroes from different movies.

For JL to beat it, it has to be a game changer which it failed to do.

And I blame Kevin Tsujihara the CEO of WB for butchering Snyder's original vision.

If you go on predicting paths,

MOS is arguably better than Ironman
BVS is debatable better than both of Ironman 2 and Thor
WW is definitely better than Captain America First Avenger

So if Snyder's cut of JL is what was released then I would have said JL dethrones Avengers

But JL failed miserably against Avengers in epicness thanks to Kevin Tsujihara!!!

The characters and story is on par with Avengers but since Avengers came first then JL's characters and story should be beyond par with Avengers for it to beat it.

The FX are more realistic in Avengers and it cost less than JL.....again I blame Kevin Tsujihara!!!!

The final act of Avengers destroys the final act of JL with more epic signature action scenes.

So it's not really fair, I voted JL because I felt sorry for it and I graded it with Tsujihara 's handicapped in mind.

#ReleaseThe Snyder Cut
I think the only people who would argue MOS is better than Iron Man are Snyder fans.

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