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Old 08-07-2017, 01:03 AM   #1
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Default Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled The FANTASTIC FOUR Comics Over Film Rights

Ok, I don't have much to say on this at all besides's I'm not surprised a good lot us already knew not to buy into their denial & it makes you wonder with another title before they realised it's time to stop with the feud on their end.

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Jonathan Hickman Confirms Marvel Cancelled The FANTASTIC FOUR Comics Over Film Rights
Marvel has denied for the longest that they cancelled their long-running Fantastic Four comic series over a dispute
with 20th Century Fox about film rights but…Read more
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Marvel has denied for the longest that they cancelled their long-running Fantastic Four comic series over a dispute with 20th Century Fox about film rights but Jonathan Hickman is saying otherwise.


8/5/2017
Filed Under: "Fantastic Four"


Before he was an all-star writing talent at Marvel, many comic book readers first discovered Hickman's brilliance during his modernizing run on the Fantastic Four which also mangage to respect the core values that have always defined Marvel's First Family (something the films have failed to do).

However, the Fantastic Four comic books were unceremoniously cancelled in 2014 and its characters were eventually put in comic book limbo (aside from a brief appearance inSecret Wars II) - a move Bleeding Cool attributed to Marvel Studios (chiefly Ike Perlmutter's) unhappiness with Fox retaining the Fantastic Four film rights.

Marvel Comics has denied that was the case, citing poor comic book sales as the catalyst for the decision to cancel the FF books but after years and years of speculation and denials we finally have confirmation from Hickman that film rights are indeed the reason why theFantastic Four are largely absent from the Marvel universe right now.

"I think it’s pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel isn’t publishing Fantastic Four because of their disagreement with Fox.
While it bums me out, I completely understand because, well, it isn’t like they’re not acting out of cause. Fox needs to do a better job there." said Hickman to Newsarama [via Bleeding Cool].

But Hickman wasn't letting Marvel off the hook either. "That kind of thinking runs contrary to everything I believe in as a professional storyteller. It comes from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make the reader desire something through denial. It's hacky. It's suboptimal. It's the central tenet of all sh---y dating advice. If you want someone to care about a book, write a story they care about."

Just last month, Marvel Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Brevoort told comic book retailers that the only reason there's no Fantastic Four comics right now is because the books don't sell. Who do you believe?
source: CBM.com

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Old 08-07-2017, 02:24 PM   #2
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In a way, it is sort of both. Marvel can get away with it because FF doesn't sell enough to be damaging if they cancel it. The same can't be said about the X-men.

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Old 08-07-2017, 04:19 PM   #3
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Yeah, this is definitely no secret.

I like this quote:
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It comes from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make the reader desire something through denial
Editorial mandates for stories can be such a stain on the industry. It's why most talent makes a name for themselves at Marvel or DC but then takes their creativity to somewhere like Image.

The X-men keep getting thrown under the bus in the name of editorial mandated pushes. Years of X-men stories were derailed so the boring Movie-Avengers could have a big event with Avengers vs X-men and Inhumans vs X-men was a bad event in the name of elevating the Inhumans.

But I thought it was interesting that Hickman implied that the problem was with the quality of the FF movies, not just the fact that Fox has the rights. Makes it seem like if Fox made better movies, FF would have a comic book. But that might have to do with interest in the IP generally.

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Old 08-07-2017, 04:33 PM   #4
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Yeah, this is definitely no secret.

I like this quote:

Editorial mandates for stories can be such a stain on the industry. It's why most talent makes a name for themselves at Marvel or DC but then takes their creativity to somewhere like Image.

The X-men keep getting thrown under the bus in the name of editorial mandated pushes. Years of X-men stories were derailed so the boring Movie-Avengers could have a big event with Avengers vs X-men and Inhumans vs X-men was a bad event in the name of elevating the Inhumans.

But I thought it was interesting that Hickman implied that the problem was with the quality of the FF movies, not just the fact that Fox has the rights. Makes it seem like if Fox made better movies, FF would have a comic book. But that might have to do with interest in the IP generally.
It's not like Fox followed the material to a T, though.

Everything they produced was loosely base on a variety of comics.

But I suppose if Fox refuses to go and peruse any back issues for a good story, then it's really on them from here on out.

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Old 08-07-2017, 07:22 PM   #5
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Yeah, this is definitely no secret.



But I thought it was interesting that Hickman implied that the problem was with the quality of the FF movies, not just the fact that Fox has the rights. Makes it seem like if Fox made better movies, FF would have a comic book. But that might have to do with interest in the IP generally.
Well, he is correct (you are too )and limonade just said it in the movie's the ff were in shown as not fully them selves or their worst part personality wise and nothing more past a certain point personality wise.

In the case of johnny storm where he was just immature in the animated and books series. but he always learned a lesson like the young robot's in transformers animated series even currently happening tile this day . in the movies, he was shown in the first two ff movies to be a "publicity whore" and so overly egotistical that people in the movie going audience couldn't stand him.



" publicity whore " This is a word actor Victor Garber of legends and flash fame used for a show he was doing in an interview where his own character who was some sort of lawyer or business type was obsessed with making sure he himself was always in front of the camera and treated his Friend and family terribly. which movie johnny did . the rest of the ff was shown not to be too bright in the movie or to ratcheted up to a high degree in bad personalities. The fans of the books couldn't recognize them on screen.

in the books, while the did cause some of their own problems it wasn't to the degree that they were overly oblivious or didn't learn from their mistakes or went into place's people couldn't stand them.

and I had been on the web with mostly others talking about the ff. where people only experience was the movie saying that source material sucked and then when thsoe that said that were tested, they were still on about the movies. sadly the movies left such a bad taste with movie goers new to it, they think the ff are over self-centered and shallow jerks, lower than the low.


They don't see the family marvel loves to talk about. what the incredible's who are based on them represent.

Cause the writer's on the fox movies overly pushed the worst personalities some of which wasn't the part of their characters, at all . A thing that was pushed too damn far.

so for the new comer to the book, they have tainted view.

And while some may think it weird to have movies used in a way to get people into the books it's happening with Japan using both books and video games that use the source material of their own universe to get them into their manga or books or lite novels. it'sstill working for them too.


So while some people would like to write if off it had done harm to the books to a degree. since it confused potental new fan's to the books or gave it bad interprtation.


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Old 08-08-2017, 08:30 PM   #6
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Is there any other way Marvel can recreate the first family in a different way? Like rewrite the history? I just feel Fox is too uptight to let go of F4 that's going nowhere. They did 3 films...an original debut followed by a sequel followed by a reboot nobody asked for when clearly what should have happened was for fox to give up and hand over the reins back to Marvel. Marvel can do better and it sucked that they cancelled F4 comics and honestly I can't blame them. Hopefully something can be worked out where F4 can be brought back home and reopen the writing business of creating more to the F4 mythos within the comic universe and the MCU.

Maybe there's some hope but it won't happen any time soon.

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Old 08-10-2017, 06:39 PM   #7
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As much as I didn't want to believe it I did (like many) think that was actually the case.


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"I think it’s pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel isn’t publishing Fantastic Four because of their disagreement with Fox. While it bums me out, I completely understand because, well, it isn’t like they’re not acting out of cause. Fox needs to do a better job there." said Hickman to Newsarama...

But Hickman wasn't letting Marvel off the hook either. "That kind of thinking runs contrary to everything I believe in as a professional storyteller. It comes from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make the reader desire something through denial. It's hacky. It's suboptimal. It's the central tenet of all sh---y dating advice. If you want someone to care about a book, write a story they care about."
That's an interesting quote there from Hickman.

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Guys, I met Hickman at a convention. He really does love the FF. I just can't see Why he wouldn't tell the truth about this. The thing is Marvel is doing a Black Panther movie and an Inhumans tv show. That means Fox only has the actual FF, Doom and maybe the Silver Surfer. Maybe an FF show instead of another movie is the answer.

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Maybe an FF show instead of another movie is the answer.
I guess that may be another way to tackle it. I could see the FF suiting an episodic format. With the particularly sci-fi feel that the FF have that idea kinda takes me back to watching the original Lost in Space and Time Tunnel TV series first time around in my (very early!) childhood.

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http://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-co...marvel-legacy/

Looks like the FF may be returning

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Old 09-14-2017, 11:42 PM   #11
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yeah saw it last night they have ben and johnny looking for them. they should just come back on their own though. but ether ways fine I guess.

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