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Old 02-16-2018, 09:23 AM   #326
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Marvel already proved that point with winter soldier

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Old 02-16-2018, 10:39 AM   #327
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Marvel already proved that point with winter soldier
Yeah, but loads of Fox-Men fans treat it like it's an outlier that Marvel can't repeat or they even try to devalue it. After BP their arguments will look even more silly.


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Old 02-16-2018, 11:20 AM   #328
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Is anybody reading the new Marvel Two In One? It seems like they're definitely leading toward bringing the FF back, but so far it just seems like a big tease.

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Old 02-16-2018, 12:31 PM   #329
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The comic is good but I can’t imagine the FF making their proper return too soon(let’s see if Comcast has to say about it if they want to throw their hat in the ring again).

My prediction: Sue and Reed won’t be coming back to the Marvel universe but Ben and Johnny will get a hint of where they are, or might have a brief reunion with them before they are once again separated for whatever reason. I think if the Fox/Disney merger goes through successfully with the deal being finalized then Marvel would inspired to relaunch FF again(in part to promote the potential MCU film the Four will be getting).


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Old 02-16-2018, 01:16 PM   #330
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If FF goes to Disney, then Reed and Sue are alive. If it goes to Comcast or stays with Fox then they're dead.

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The comic is good but I can’t imagine the FF making their proper return too soon(let’s see if Comcast has to say about it if they want to throw their hat in the ring again).

My prediction: Sue and Reed won’t be coming back to the Marvel universe but Ben and Johnny will get a hint of where they are, or might have a brief reunion with them before they are once again separated for whatever reason. I think if the Fox/Disney merger goes through successfully with the deal being finalized then Marvel will be incensed to relaunch FF again(in part to promote the potential MCU film the Four will be getting).
Yeah, good point. They almost have to end this with Johnny and Ben finding them (if not, they're going to have a lot of enraged geeks to deal with after they've been teasing it since before the release), but after they find them, then what? Whether they revive their own comic (and probably more importantly put some of their top people on it) may depend on the status of the rights and film plans.

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Old 02-16-2018, 03:36 PM   #332
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If FF goes to Disney, then Reed and Sue are alive. If it goes to Comcast or stays with Fox then they're dead.
To paraphrase a certain space princess: "Help us Disney, you're our only hope!"

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Old 02-20-2018, 06:56 PM   #333
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I just stumbled on this and don't really understand it. Has anybody heard anything about how the FF might fit into this?

http://thegww.com/marvel-comics-off-fresh-start-may/

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I just stumbled on this and don't really understand it. Has anybody heard anything about how the FF might fit into this?

http://thegww.com/marvel-comics-off-fresh-start-may/
It's inaccurate in the first place. Unlike DC Marvel have never done a reboot and 'wiped the slate clean', not even after the last Secret Wars. Stuff from the 60s is still referenced in today's books.

This 'relaunch' is just returning originals like Iron-Man, Thor and looks like the Hulk back to the mantle occupied by others for a few years. Note Thor is still missing his left arm. The stories are likely bring timed so current stuff gets wound up and they can have jumping in points across the board.

As for what this means for the FF? Wait and see. The Two in One book is heading to a reunion so the new EIC may feel it's time to bring them back.

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As for what this means for the FF? Wait and see. The Two in One book is heading to a reunion so the new EIC may feel it's time to bring them back.
I'm a little afraid this could leave the FF in the cold. It seemed like they were headed toward something with Two-in-One, but if they start over, I'm wondering if the Two-in-One and FF story-line will survive or just be dropped.

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It's in accurate in the first place. Unlike DC Marvel have never done a reboot and 'wiped the slate clean', not even after the last Secret Wars. Stuff from the 60s is still referenced in today's books.

This 'relaunch' is just returning originals like Iron-Man, Thor and looks like the Hulk back to the mantle occupied by others for a few years. Note Thor is still missing his left arm. The stories are likely bring timed so current stuff gets wound up and they can have jumping in points across the board.

As for what this means for the FF? Wait and see. The Two in One book is heading to a reunion so the new EIC may feel it's time to bring them back.
Didn't that Onslaught bulls*** in the '90s roll everything back to day one for all of the heroes except the wretched X-things? I thought it was a reset, but I could be wrong because that mess is what drove me away from Marvel Comics for good.

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Old 02-21-2018, 03:41 AM   #337
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Didn't that Onslaught bulls*** in the '90s roll everything back to day one for all of the heroes except the wretched X-things? I thought it was a reset, but I could be wrong because that mess is what drove me away from Marvel Comics for good.
Naw, the big Avengers characters and Fantastic Four were basically killed and removed from the main universe so the hot 90s talent could do whatever they wanted with them. There was a big hole for a year where it was Daredevil and Spider-Man (Ben Reilly was Spider-Man when the heroes died but Peter was already back as Spider-Man when they returned) pretty much being the only heroes occupying the city.

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It's in accurate in the first place. Unlike DC Marvel have never done a reboot and 'wiped the slate clean', not even after the last Secret Wars. Stuff from the 60s is still referenced in today's books.

This 'relaunch' is just returning originals like Iron-Man, Thor and looks like the Hulk back to the mantle occupied by others for a few years. Note Thor is still missing his left arm. The stories are likely bring timed so current stuff gets wound up and they can have jumping in points across the board.

As for what this means for the FF? Wait and see. The Two in One book is heading to a reunion so the new EIC may feel it's time to bring them back.
The closes Marvel ever gets to "rebooting" is with things like Iron man being injured in afganistan instead of vietnam. There are retcons but for the most part everything is in continuity. More like updates story by story. Not a total company continuity rewrite. Everyone thought Secret Wars was going to lead to a reboot and really the only thing that changed was Miles Morales was in the main universe, Doom has a new lease on life, Reed Sue and their children are presumed dead.

A Re-launch is different from a reboot, and Marvel has done a lot of relaunches. Think of it as a marketing initiative with the idea of a creating an ideal starting point for new readers. It's no different form the All New, All Different thing from a year or two ago.

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Naw, the big Avengers characters and Fantastic Four were basically killed and removed from the main universe so the hot 90s talent could do whatever they wanted with them. There was a big hole for a year where it was Daredevil and Spider-Man (Ben Reilly was Spider-Man when the heroes died but Peter was already back as Spider-Man when they returned) pretty much being the only heroes occupying the city.
Yup. Glad I missed most of the 90's books.

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Weirdly, the Onslaught-Reborn-Return chain actually brought me back to buying Marvel after a dry spell. The 'Heroes Return' part obviously cemented it by taking a back-to-basics approach with the main heroes, and those titles started doing some of their best stories in years. Sometimes relaunches work.

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Waid's run on Cap after Heroes Return was fantastic. So was the Busiek Iron Man run.

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I started reading FF comics (and for the first time in english) with Heroes Return. I loved the book, until I run out of money, right before Dr Doom returned

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Weirdly, the Onslaught-Reborn-Return chain actually brought me back to buying Marvel after a dry spell. The 'Heroes Return' part obviously cemented it by taking a back-to-basics approach with the main heroes, and those titles started doing some of their best stories in years. Sometimes relaunches work.
I read a few issues and was disgusted by what I saw so I quit. Those "creators" and the editors behind them were the reason Marvel cratered in the '90s. The whole mess caused Marvel's bankruptcy, brought Avi Arad and Ike Perlmutter into the company and led to the sell-off of its biggest IPs to various studios for a pittance.

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Lame! the first film debut of the Skrulls will apparently indeed be in the Dark Phoenix.

Here's a tidbit of information I found most interesting.

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As for the movie itself, my source says they thought it was better than Apocalypse but not as good as Days of Future Past. At this point they felt it was similar in issues to First Class. It’s also very serious with very little humor, but they said that Kinberg did a good job with it.
Some will ask why am I posting this on this forum instead of the actual Dark Phoenix thread? Because it's relevant to the question on what Disney does with the X-Men going forward. If this movie is surprisingly good and makes a big splash at the box office then maybe Marvel Studios doesn't reboot?

I mean this question is going to be all for naught if Comcast gets Fox instead of the mouse but should Disney still get that Fox deal finalized maybe Dark Phoenix being surprisingly good makes Kevin Feige think twice about pressing the reset button on the mutants.


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I think Marvel are going to want to do their own take on the X-Men and not continue FOX's continuity. Just on a purely creative level; they are going to want to do their own version of the property. They are going to want as clean of a slate as possible.

On a business level, a fresh start for X-Men that has the property in the MCU (thus creating the possibility of crossover) has far more potential to do big box office than yet another FOX universe X-Men movie.

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I don't see any scenario where marvel doesn't wipe the slate clean on the xmen.

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