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Old 05-07-2015, 04:20 AM   #26
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It does. My second viewing was more enjoyable than the first, mostly because I knew what to expect and knew what details to be looking for. It's a very dense film that definitely could've benefited from an additional 10-15 minutes.
I hope so, I have seen every MCUovie twice at the cinema so will be doing so again here. Not all of them improvwd on 2nd veiwings though, both 2013 movies got worse for me, hope that isn't the case here.

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I suddenly realised that Ultron having sort of Tony Stark's personality or buzz or sense of humor totally doesn't make sense....Tony only writes the Ultron programm...there is no reason why he should sound like him or say similar lines as him... I somehow don't get it...

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They show Ultron downloading a brief history of The Avengers and war from the net. I'm sure he downloaded Tony's security archives and communications as well, giving Ultron access to any quips, anecdotes and phrases Tony may have used in the past.

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I was kind of disappointed to be honest. It was still a good movie and I loved the third act, but I felt the story didn't flow together all that well. It was definitely carried by the performances, which as usual for Marvel, were top notch. I like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and I LOVED what they did with Vision but I felt there was room to improve on the first Avengers and it was really more of the same without the novelty that the first film had. It was clearly a step below the two MCU films from last year (TWS and GotG). I certainly enjoyed it on the level of another MCU adventure, but it wasn't the big magnum opus of the MCU so far that it was hyped up to be. Instead that more and more appears to be Civil War instead of this film. Actually in many ways, this story seems to exist largely to set up Civil War.

7/10. Or middle of the pack in the MCU.

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I suddenly realised that Ultron having sort of Tony Stark's personality or buzz or sense of humor totally doesn't make sense....Tony only writes the Ultron programm...there is no reason why he should sound like him or say similar lines as him... I somehow don't get it...
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They show Ultron downloading a brief history of The Avengers and war from the net. I'm sure he downloaded Tony's security archives and communications as well, giving Ultron access to any quips, anecdotes and phrases Tony may have used in the past.
I look at it as something he absorbed from Jarvis. Jarvis could read Tony very well IMO and knew when Tony was being sarcastic and so on

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I was kind of disappointed to be honest. It was still a good movie and I loved the third act, but I felt the story didn't flow together all that well. It was definitely carried by the performances, which as usual for Marvel, were top notch. I like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, and I LOVED what they did with Vision but I felt there was room to improve on the first Avengers and it was really more of the same without the novelty that the first film had. It was clearly a step below the two MCU films from last year (TWS and GotG). I certainly enjoyed it on the level of another MCU adventure, but it wasn't the big magnum opus of the MCU so far that it was hyped up to be. Instead that more and more appears to be Civil War instead of this film. Actually in many ways, this story seems to exist largely to set up Civil War.

7/10. Or middle of the pack in the MCU.
To ME it felt like Avengers Disassembled and age of Ultron but I see what you're saying

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8/10

I enjoyed the film, but like someone said above, the film felt like it didn't flow together all that well. There were also some unnecessary things in the movie. The Banner/Romanoff romance, Barton's family to name a few. All in all a decent movie....but could have been much, much better.

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I feel as though my criticism will be much harsher than the average fan's. But it is what it is (my opinions).

Let me start by saying what I said in the unpopular film related opinion thread, in that this movie felt very much like filler. whether or not this has to do with the rumors of av2 originally being the infinity wars and av3 being the civil war could definitely explain this reason of filler, but i don't know if it's true so that's that. just gotta go with with what we know. So what we know is... The first phase of the MCU spanned for 5 years. 2008-2012. Phase 2 is 2 years shorter, from 2013-2015.

Couple this with the fact that Iron Man had 2 films in the first phase, and as much as people try to argue he isn't the main character of the MCU, he definitely was in phase 1, I don't care what anyone says. Even if that's not what they intended, that's definitely the vibe they were giving. Cap1's end credit scene was nothing more but a teaser for av1, which makes me believe that while it is a good standalone film, it was essentially there to build up and set up for av1 - NOT in the same way as the iron man films were. that's the key thing here. thor was also a good movie, but the end credits has the message "thor will return in the avengers" - this line alone made the entire film feel like an amount up for av1 buildup.

TIH didn't do as well as the studios probably hoped, so phase 1 was really just iron man & his amazing friends, which ended with: the avengers.

now fast forward to the end of phase 2, which before antman, is av2. it almost felt like this film happened because it is a routine for marvel's phase to end with an avengers film. it did not feel organic.

it would've helped if there were maybe a few more sequels before the next avengers films. then the actual buildup would've felt like it had more merit. for instance, there is 1 iron man, 1 thor, and 1 cap movie each that happened before av2. which means each superhero went through 1 series of events before teaming up with the rest. i feel like i would've made more sense for them to have gone through a couple of solo events before they saw themselves teaming up with each other. which is to say, like how iron man had 2 films in phase 1, instead of him having 1, i'd rather all the rest have the same amount of exposure before the crossover.

and these are some of the things i've picked up from other reviews - the end of iron man 3 saw tony stark having an epiphany about being iron man but in av2, he's just being iron man like he always is. besides the 1 mention of the winter soldier in av2, there's no development of that story but i'll get into that later. and nothing reflects of thor's story - he just had his solo film and is right back to being with his team.

now, onto my analysis of the actual film. it starts off with an avengers action sequence...with barely any context. it's straight to the point but does not do much to explain how and why the heroes came together to do what they went to do.

similarly with av1, since I was not paying attention to the hype due to the lack of spiderman in the mcu, from watching the trailers I was under the impression that these heroes were coming together to face a fierce opponent. instead, they came together because of an army of superhuman proportion. now the same thing happened with av2. from watching the trailers, i was under the impression that ultron was going to be an extremely imposing threat, just on his own, but he wasn't nearly as menacing as he was made out to be in the teaser. this was basically another film about the avengers vs a superhero army - were those robots even supposed to have superhuman strength? cap was able to take on several of them on his own and hell, was even able to hold his own against ultron longer than he was when he was fighting loki. so is cap supposed to have some level of superhuman strength? that isn't made clear in the mcu, i know his powers came from something called the SUPERsoldier serum but I've been under the impression that it gave him peak human physicality. and if that is the case, I feel as though sometimes he is overpowered. and i'm not talking about that time he pulled that chunk of wood in half. that was cool. i mean how he's able to tear apart those robots and fight toe to toe with ultron.

ultron himself did not feel that menacing. he was a cool villain but he did not feel as much of a threat as he was made out to be. as a result, for me, it felt like the movie was dragging a bit.

i love that they did more with hawkeye this time around, but I hate that they wrote for him to have a wife and kids. not that there's anything wrong with an avenger and a superhero wanting to have a normal family (this ties into my complaint about hulk/widow), but they clearly made hawkeye and widow a thing in av1. but for av2 they just wrote him off as her bestie. i like romance, and I wish that it kept going strong with widow and hawkeye. they were a great match.

hulk and widow as a match felt god awful. so forced, so unnecessary. they was a clear mutual respect between these two characters by the end of av1, but no reason was there for them to become a couple. WHERE THE HELL IS BETTY ROSS?? GODDAMMIT. I hate how they're not doing anything with that character. recast her if you have to, but SHE is hulk's woman. she deserves to have a place in the mcu, and not be forgotten, and definitely not replaced with someone else like widow. ugh.

i like elizabeth olsen (she's so hot) and aaron taylor johnson, but frankly, their acting was not very good in this movie. my mother is a fob and i told her there would be two main characters in this film with accents and she'd have trouble understanding them. so we're watching the movie and the maximoff twins show up, having their scenes, but it wasn't until andy serkis's scene showed up when my mother asked "is this the character you were saying that has that accent?"

now with all this being said, notwithstanding that another version of quicksilver exists cinematically and i made a thread comparing the two, the way the character went out was lame. it should not have even happened. not just because he was a fresh new character to the mcu, but because the weight of his death wasn't even felt. the film quickly went on and transitioned. now, of course the film has to do this, but the part of the film where you'd see the weight of his death would be in scarlet's scenes. she had the breakdown where she went after ultron (and even after ripping out his "core" he didn't "die") later on we see her just becoming an avenger. i don't think it was stated how much time had passed at the end of the movie since the climax of the film, but regardless - she got over her beloved brother's death so quickly that his death felt very inconsequential to the film. it would have been better if it showed she was still grieving - moving on in some sort of way but not 100%.

and speaking of the climax of the film, why wasn't falcon there to help? war machine showed up to help, so why not falcon? the winter soldier *could* a viable reason here, but I feel like since he was already a part of the movie, cap would've contacted him about what happened after the party with ultron & such. falcon even said the avengers is not his world but his main objective is to help cap - and immediately, helping to fight ultron would've been just that.

I don't usually rate movies on a numerical scale but I'll say this. guardians, cap2, iron man1, & thor were all better movies than av2. i enjoyed all those movies more than this.

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^ Great review. Echoes a lot of my thoughts on the movie.

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^ Great review. Echoes a lot of my thoughts on the movie.
thank you joker, i appreciate it. i encourage you to post your thoughts & review if you haven't already . it should help to reinforce some of these unpopular opinions, things that people won't think or say or believe because their praising this movie more than it deserves to be praised.

and that's exactly what I think this case is here. av2, so far, is overrated. it's not a cashgrab because it is being what it is supposed to be - a crossover film with a story that's supposed to bring together all these superheroes - but that premise was definitely not set up nicely. people are just gonna love it because it is another film, a part 2, a sequel with all these superheroes coming together again.

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thank you joker, i appreciate it. i encourage you to post your thoughts & review if you haven't already . it should help to reinforce some of these unpopular opinions, things that people won't think or say or believe because their praising this movie more than it deserves to be praised.

and that's exactly what I think this case is here. av2, so far, is overrated. it's not a cashgrab because it is being what it is supposed to be - a crossover film with a story that's supposed to bring together all these superheroes - but that premise was definitely not set up nicely. people are just gonna love it because it is another film, a part 2, a sequel with all these superheroes coming together again.
So you're the authority that decides what a movie deserves? Good to know. I'll ask you before I comment on the next movie I see so I don't have the wrong opinion.

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Yours is FAR from the first negative review here. There have been many even from Marvel faithful.

You are not blazing any trail here.
I find that hard to believe. Maybe I haven't been looking too thoroughly but it looks the vast majority loves it.

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So you're the authority that decides what a movie deserves? Good to know. I'll ask you before I comment on the next movie I see so I don't have the wrong opinion.
Did you miss the part of my post where I said I think this (av2 being overrated) is the case?

people sure love to instigate and instantly antagonize around here

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7/10

An entertaining let-down. Setting aside the flack Whedon got, the script is a mess and it felt like he was trying to please everyone (himself, the actors, Feige). I applaud Whedon for trying something different, even though he re-uses one of the best scenes in the first pic as an in media res opening for the second. It just doesn't work as well.

And the thing is, while it feels like a follow-up to the first Avengers movie -- it doesn't feel like a proper follow-up to the movies leading up to it. The events in CA:TWS are referenced, but Steve Rogers isn't the person he was in that film. And the subplots, including the forced pairing between Natasha and Bruce and Hawkeye's family, doesn't feel true to the characters.

I'm thinking maybe Whedon, Feige, and the Marvel brain trust should've had several meetings while the story was being outlined. That way they could've agreed on what could stay and what could go before writing started in earnest, instead of clashing in the editing room. It would feel more organic and less forced.

And I have a major beef with how Whedon establishes the final climax. I know how a certain WB film divides people with the battle sequences and the hero's decisions, but Whedon stages it to give the Avengers time to save people (especially the Seoul train sequence) -- and Ultron conveniently waits for Tony to show up. (Very OTT for Ultron to do so, he would've already unleashed his robot army ASAP to cause utter chaos.) They can't save everybody, and it says something when one of the Avengers takes a hit for the team but no civilian casualties.

Urgh. I enjoy this film but certain plot points nag at me.

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Look closer. There is one right above this post that is mixed to negative. Go back in the older thread and you will see dozens of negative reviews. Go into the Negatives thread and you will see plenty of criticisms. Go to other websites and you will see people trashing the movie up and down.

You are just choosing to ignore all this.
I'm not choosing to ignore anything. most reviews look good and most people i've come across online have said mostly positive things.

you can say i'm not looking thoroughly. mclay's post came after mine and a 7/10 isn't mixed to negative imo. mixed to me is a 5 and lower than that is negative. on a 1-10 scale.
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jeez, I never said I was anything special, I was just presuming that my accounting would me much harsher than the average person's based on all the opinions I've heard and the existing ratings of the film.

everybody in person that i've talked to have praised this movie. i'm the only person I know who dislikes it as much as I do. you're saying more than you need to.

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Why does it matter how your opinion compares to the average? Just give your review and let it speak for itself. You dont need to insinuate that you are better than everyone just because you dont share the "average" opinion.
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Except that's exactly what you did when you made this post:

Again why do you care what other people think? And why are you now on some crusade to "reinforce" your "unpopular opinions"?

I've been reading all the reviews in this thread both positive and negative and I've never felt the need to criticize any of them because they are expressing their honest opinion. In fact I don't see anything wrong with your review either.

Its when you follow it up with this smug post about how you're going to "reinforce" your opinions on everybody that I have to take issue.

You didn't like the movie. Fine. Plenty of people agree with you. Some people don't agree with you. Such is life. No one needs to be forced to think anything.
I never claimed to be part of any crusade on this messaging board. From my own interactions with people, I've heard them saying they've had a blast with this movie and then when I explain to them why I didn't like it, their response is that they don't look too deep into it or thought of the things I said. And I stand by what I said. This movie to me, so far, is overrated. My opinion isn't more important than yours or anyone else',s but you're trying to twist my words into me saying that my opinion is holding more water. I said what I said the way I said it because I thought most people didn't think the same as me and so far, that still seems to be the case. My response to the Joker was that it is good to know that I'm not alone in my opinions, and a lot of the time, I am.

You're making an issue out of this, creating a conflict, for nothing. You are the one throwing the insults here.

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Guys, keep your opinions on the film, not on other posters' opinions. It's not up to any of you to come up with reasons why others don't feel the same as you.

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Because everything they said in was correct and made something dark, surreal, and hilarious while doing so. It was a character speaking the truth, not a real person.

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