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Old 09-14-2017, 09:48 AM   #126
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You sound like the guy saying Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians or Galaxy don't have the audience to warrant movies.
Or the guy with zero vision once saying you can't reboot Batman after Schumacher.
Ok now this is just getting silly. Never did I think or say anything about those other properties,
LOL didn't say you did, I said you sound like someone saying the likes of Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians or Galaxy don't have the audience, to warrant spending the money on making movies.

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but to even remotely compare those to The Phantom is ludicrous.
The comparison to Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians of Galaxy was in reply to you saying
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" You need an audience, and sadly, I just don't think a large enough one exists to warrant spending the money."
Neither Blade, Iron-Man or Guardians of Galaxy had the guaranteed built in audience you speak of, yet those with vision saw the potential for movies.
Your approach would have killed those franchises.

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The Phantom's suit is just one of many issues this has going against it. These properties have already had their heyday. Maybe it's just best to leave them in the past?
As far as the costume or rebooting of a franchise, if Batman can return after these vision, to reinvent itself......
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The costume isn't an obstacle as you say.
You sound like someone dismissing Batman based on those previous incarnations.

Batman's suit was once near the same as the Phantom's only with ears and a cape added. Yet Batman was updated.
Just because a franchise like Batman grew out of the 30's Doesn't mean it has to visually stay with what it did before, and can't reinvent itself, same as the Phantom.

And read what I'm saying, I'm not saying the Phamtom is some guaranteed success, it obviously has an uphill struggle, depends how it's executed.
I'm saying the reasons you give, the costume, no built in audience, are your typical lame, not creative excuses, which have also been proven wrong by other successful franchises. That hopefully wouldn't sway a studio producer, director with a good vision.


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Old 09-14-2017, 10:12 AM   #127
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Iron Man and Guardians certainly had FAR more of an audience than the Phantom after all this time. I never understood people saying that Iron Man was some sort of gamble. Sure, at the time he was no Supes, Batman, or Spiderman, but I always considered him extremely recognizable and quite popular. Maybe I was giving him too much credit at the time coming from the land of the nerds myself. And Guardians...by the time that dropped, the MCU could almost throw any turd they wanted at the screen and audiences would have eaten it up. We just got lucky it turned out really good being a truly creative director's passion project.

And this is a TERRIBLE example I know, and it's honestly KIND of a low blow, so...forgive me, but they already TRIED to update the Phantom, and we all saw how good that turned out. Yeah, yeah...it was probably the lowest budget sci fi piece of **** I've ever seen, and I'm PRETTY sure I've seen porns with higher production values AND certainly...better costumes, but my point is that it's been attempted. I warned you it was a low blow, and I feel like a dick even bringing it up but...yeah...I did apologize BEFOREHAND.

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Old 09-16-2017, 10:22 AM   #128
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... Iron Man was some sort of gamble. Sure, at the time he was no Supes, Batman, or Spiderman,
Yes it was a gamble. What part of that don't you get? Supes, Batman, & Spider-Man (add X-men) were exactly the bankable, recognition brands studios picked up. Hence rights went out.
What studio was asking for Blade, or Iron-Man? It took someone at Marvel with the vision too look past those bankable brands, to develop and gamble on their own lesser known properties in-house. Yes that was a gamble for them.
And that's exactly what caught WB completely with their pants down, as they were incapable of looking beyond the familiar Batman & Superman, and didn't take any of their lesser known properties seriously.
While Marvel forged ahead, doing exactly what you say they couldn't do, develop lesser known properties (Starting with Blade). To such success that Disney took notice, and outright bought their whole available library.

Everything Marvel had, even with the smallest audience (Ant-Man pun intended) was on the table.
Yet you sound like the unimaginative producers at WB, who didn't know what hit them, going
" You need an audience, I just don't think a large enough one exists to warrant spending the money." While Marvel already putting lesser known material out, forged ahead.

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And this is a TERRIBLE example I know, and it's honestly KIND of a low blow, so...forgive me, but they already TRIED to update the Phantom, and we all saw how good that turned out. Yeah, yeah...it was probably the lowest budget sci fi piece of **** I've ever seen, and I'm PRETTY sure I've seen porns with higher production values AND certainly...better costumes, but my point is that it's been attempted. I warned you it was a low blow, and I feel like a dick even bringing it up but...yeah...I did apologize BEFOREHAND.
Your snickering that: "... point is that it's been attempted."
Might be the laziest, least imaginative point one could make.

Again you sound like the guy with zero vision once saying you can't ever reboot Batman after Schumacher.
Or the guy snickering that Daredevil could now never be done successfully, because "it's been attempted."
Yet it completely reinvented itself, to build from the ground up.


The Phantom would be a gamble and would take a strong vision, but hopefully your kind of lazy, unimaginative thinking like yours isn't what sways a producer or director from revisiting it.
Or the Shadow


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Old 09-16-2017, 10:42 AM   #129
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What part of that don't you get? Supes, Batman, & Spider-Man (add X-men) were exactly the bankable, recognition brands studios picked up. Hence rights went out.
It took someone at Marvel with the vision too look outside those bankable brands, to develop and gamble on their own lesser known brands. Yes that was a gamble for them.
And that's exactly what caught WB completely with their pants down, as they were incapable of looking beyond the familiar Batman & Superman, and didn't take any of their lesser known properties seriously.
While Marvel forged ahead, doing exactly what you say they didn't do, develop lesser known properties. To such success that Disney took notice, and outright bought their whole library.
Everything Marvel had, even with the smallest audience (Ant-Man pun intended) was on the table.
Yet you sound like the unimaginative producers at WB, who didn't know what hit them.
Dude...what the hell are you even talking about? No, I don't agree that Iron Man was that much of a "lesser known brand". I have always felt that with Marvel's catalog (and DC's honestly) that if you make a good movie, it's going to do well because, I'm sorry, I think Iron Man was a hell of a lot more recognizable than you're giving it credit for. And by the time they got to Guardians, they could put out whatever and it would have been good. I find it absolutely hilarious that I'm just like "the unimaginative producers at DC" because I don't think a couple of niche ass old school pulp characters have enough draw to be worthy of a film...The Phantom ESPECIALLY, and you're all butt hurt over it for some reason. It cracks me up. Im all for DC delving into brands that aren't Batman and Superman. I was all for the GL flick. Too bad it turned out to be a turd because I thought it was gonna be awesome. You're comparing apples and oranges. Out of the two we've been talking about, I even think The Shadow would be a more likely hit than the Phantom. I just think you hung your hat on a ****** property that I don't think works in today's atmosphere, nor do I think it will update well. It's as simple as that. Now let's just agree to disagree like I suggested before, so we don't have to keep repeating ourselves because neither of us is saying anything new.

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